Joseph and the Tarporley Manor House.
Did the Burgess Family live in the Tarporley Manor House in Cheshire for hundreds of years?
I found an article headed “Our Dairies by Ephorus” on Page 6 of the Brighton Southern Cross dated Sat 3rd November 1917. It tells the story of my Great Grandfather, Joseph Burgess, and the dairies he owned in St Kilda in Melbourne at the time.[1]
BURGESS, Joseph b1864. Thanks to Ancestry member ‘elainewhelen’ for originally sharing this image.
Joseph was born in Tarporley, Cheshire on 2 Jul 1864 to Joseph Burgess and Lydia Burgess, formerly Brooke as per his birth certificate. If you’ve read the article above, however, you will have noticed that he said he was born on that day in the Manor House Tarporley which was built for Ralph Done Esquire in 1545 and bequeathed to the Dean of the Chester Cathedral. He also states that the Burgess family had lived in the house for the greater part of all these hundreds of years. This is a question for debate amongst my cousins who are also actively researching the family.
My research project for the year was to follow the Burgess family back in time to Tarporley to find out if they did have this long-standing relationship with Tarporley Manor House.
The 1841 census shows a James Brooke and his wife Mary & family living in Tarporley, next door to the Tarporley Manor House where a Henry Brookes lives.[2] I know that James and Mary Brookes were the parents of Lydia Margaret Brookes who had married the father of Joseph Burgess of our dairies. But who was Henry? Well, I still can’t track down his relationship to the family but I’m sure there is one. He was born in Tarporley but James was born in Kirkburton in West Yorkshire to Daniel and Sarah Brooks (née Heyworth).
James Brook and Mary Vernon married on 28 Sep 1824 in Tarporley. Mary Vernon was from Willington in Cheshire. The Vernon name has been linked to the Tarporley Manor House over the years and, in the future, I will find that history as she is my 3rd Great Grandmother.
James and Mary had a daughter, Lydia Margaret on 16 Mar 1831. She married Joseph Burgess in Tarporley on 16 Aug 1858. Joseph had been born on 10 October 1822 in Tarporley. Lydia and this Joseph are my Great Great Grandparents. I will refer to him as Joseph Snr since their son, Joseph, is my Great Grandfather and the one with the dairies in St Kilda.
Eaton, Utkinton and Rushton Parish, Chesire. 1838 Tithe Book. Burgess holdings in Utkinton Lots 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 67, 68, 206, 207, 209, 212, 213, 214. from TheGenealogists / Landowner, Occupier & Tithe Records / Tithe collection.[5]
So where does Joseph Snr come from? The Burgess family had land in Utkinton, a village 3.5km north of Tarporley and within the parish of Tarporley. His parents were John Burgess born in 1787 in Utkinton and Mary Dilworth, born in Cholmond, Cheshire about 1798. The Cheshire Tithe Maps of 18 Jan 1838 show that the Burgess family of John, George, Joseph, Richard and Thomas owned 13 lots in Utkinton. John occupied and farmed Lots 7,8,9,10 and 11 and rented out the other eight lots which would seem to indicate that they were quite well-off.
Eaton, Utkinton and Rushton parish Tithe Map of 1838. Utkinton Lots 7, 9, 8, 10, 11, 67, 68 from TheGenealogists / Landowner, Occupier & Tithe Records / Tithe collection. [5]
The 1851 census shows James Brook 52 and wife Mary 49 lived in Tarporley with their children: Lydia 20, Mary 17, Sarah 12 and James Vernon Brook 5. James Snr was a woollen draper and farmer of 51 acres employing three labourers. Henry Brookes is 47 and a retired farmer, and he and his wife Mary 28 lived elsewhere in Tarporley. William Brookes 21 and his wife Sarah lived in the Manor House next to James and his family. William was farming 82 acres and employed two labourers. William was the son of James and Mary and Lydia’s sister.
The 1861 census shows that Joseph and Lydia lived in Grove Cottage, Over and he was a Miller. They had two sons, John who was one and Brooke who was 1 month old. In 1864, not long after Joseph was born, Joseph Snr won a prize in the local show for his cheeses so they were obviously good dairy farmers even then.
Eaton, Utkinton and Rushton parish Tithe Map of 1838. Utkinton Lots 206, 207, 209, 212, 213, 214 from TheGenealogists / Landowner, Occupier & Tithe Records / Tithe collection.[5]
In the 1871 census, William had moved to a small farm of ten acres with his family and Joseph Burgess and his wife, Lydia Margaret Brookes, William’s sister lived in the Manor House. James Brooke had died and his widow, Mary 69 lived in the house next door with her son, James Vernon Brookes 25 who farms 50 acres and employs two labourers. Her daughter Sarah Brookes and grandson James Brookes Herbert also lived there. Perhaps Mary gave the young ones the bigger house as their family was larger.
We know his parents didn’t live in the Manor House in 1861 but they were there in 1871 but I can’t find when they moved at this stage so all we know for sure is that he was living in the Manor House by the time he was seven.
1871 census of Tarporley. Manor House location from TheGenealogist census map.[5]
However, this family notice in the Cheshire Observer on 22 Feb 1868 shows that Joseph’s brother died in the Manor House in 1868: ‘On the 13th instant at the Manor House Tarporley, Harry Lee Burgess, son of Joseph and Lydia Burgess aged one year and six months’.[3] His sister, Mary Elizabeth, also died in the Manor House on 1 Jul 1870, she was seven years and eight months old.[4] Sadly, another sister, Mabel Francis, died in 1872.
These were dreadful years for the family for other reasons too. A cattle plague hit the district in 1866 and many of their cattle had to be slaughtered. It seems that they never recovered from this and Joseph Snr was declared bankrupt on 8 Jan 1874.
The 1881 census showed that the family had moved to Upper End, Hepworth in Yorkshire where Joseph Snr and his eldest son, John, were farm bailiffs, his son Brooke was a grocer’s apprentice and Joseph was a piecer in a woollen mill. On 7 Feb 1887, Joseph and his brother Brooke arrived in Melbourne on the Gilreux to start a new life. They were followed by Joseph Snr, Lydia and their daughter Lydia, arriving in Melbourne on the Austral on 16 Feb 1888.
I’ve concluded that Joseph lived in the manor house from at least 1868 until sometime after 1874 but he was living in Yorkshire by 1881. I know that the Burgess family has not lived in the Manor House for hundreds of years but whether Joseph’s maternal line of the Brookes and Vernon families did so, will have to be the next research I undertake. A cousin of mine is going to Tarporley next year and will see what she can discover about the family. Meanwhile I will keep researching.
[1] 1917 ‘Our Dairies.’, Brighton Southern Cross (Vic. : 1896 – 1918), 3 November, p. 6. , viewed 07 Aug 2023, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article75018858
[2] The name changes from Brookes to Brooke to Brook to Brooks in the records.
[3] Cheshire Observer, Saturday 22 February 1868 found British Newspaper Archives at gsq.org.au on 24 Aug 2019
[4] Chester Chronicle Thursday 8 July 1870 British Newspaper Archives found at GSQ 24 Aug 2019
[5] ‘© Crown Copyright Images reproduced by courtesy of The National Archives, London, England. www.NationalArchives.gov.uk & www.TheGenealogist.co.uk
That’s fascinating! Sometimes just a couple of different family names were linked over several generations through occupation and marriage. Maybe this was the case for the Brooke family and the Burgess family. In the ‘bad old days’ people were at the mercy of so many factors that were beyond their control. Tough times. Your great grandfather was a hard worker and so deserved success. Perhaps you can travel there oneday, Di and visit the Manor house. Plus you could identify the properties owned by your ancestors. Good luck!
Thanks Beverley. I have been to England a couple of times but I’ve not been working on my Burgess Brooke lot. My Couch family were from Port Isaac in Cornwall (Dr Martin country) and I’ve visited there. I’ve also spent time in Wiltshire exploring the places where my Alley family lived. I don’t think I’ll get back again but my cousin Elaine plans a visit next year so I’ll leave it to her to explore and provide the photos. We have seen photos of the inside of the Manor House as it was listed on a Real Estate site for sale. That was interesting. I plant to keep tracking the history of the house and of the Vernon Brookes connection.
A fascinating famiy Di, reminds me of the Forsyte Saga and all the comings and goings around a central family home. Could make a great story!
Thanks Christine. Yes, I really want to know more about the house’s story. I’ll keep on keeping on
You might be interested to know the Tarporley Manor House is currently under restoration. I’m no connection & don’t know the owners but noticed the old house, which looked interesting, so I took one or two photos, which I could send you if I had your email. I assume you have seen the photos online of it painted white & looking very smart. It’s a rather sad sight at the moment, but hopefully will be restored to its former glory eventually. Good luck with your family history researches.
Thank you for commenting on my blog. I’m sad that the house is looking very sad and I’d love to see your photos.
I’m waiting on the arrival from our national library of a book “Tarporley: the history of a Cheshire Village” and I’m hoping that will give me more background.
Have just come across this thread.
I am a Brooke and have remnants of a Brooke family bible. The Brooke family lived in Holmfirth, Yorkshire. Joseph Brooke (1765-1843) and Mary Brooke (nee Howcote) (1763-1834) are buried in the graveyard at New Mill, very close to Holmfirth. Joseph and Mary had a son James Brooke (1795-1867) who moved to Cheshire and married Mary Vernon (1801-1878). James completed the entry about his parents in longhand on June 6th 1857 on the bible page so I am 100% sure it is correct. Given the Brooke family history in Holmfirth, I don’t think the Brooke family owned the Manor House in Tarporley for hundreds of years. I think it is possible that earlier generations of the Vernon family may have lived in it or owned it prior to James and Mary Brooke living in it.
2 of my uncles did a lot of research into parts of the Brooke family tree and in the course of doing this an expert told them that very often written documents would drop the e from Brooke, convert the e to an s or have an e and an s.
Very interested to read about the success your family has had in St Kilda. Our documents only showed that Lydia Burgess (nee Brooke) died in 1892 in Australia. I didn’t realise she and her husband had only moved to Australia in 1888.
Hello Cousin! It is amazing to receive your comments on my blog. Yes, I always thought it was the Vernons who lived in the Manor House. I would love to see your family bible. Could you possibly take photos of the pages and email them to me please and would you be ok if I then used the photos in a follow up blog and in my family history. I have done a blog on my own site about Charles Burgess, son of Brooke Burgess who also came to Australia at the same time as Joseph. He was killed in the Somme. I have been to visit his grave.
I look forward to hearing from you. Cheers. Di Edelman.